diff --git a/update.py b/update.py
index d5ec488..c03206d 100644
--- a/update.py
+++ b/update.py
@@ -20,8 +20,10 @@ First time on a new PC (or just paste the install one-liner):
     python eve_orehold_watcher.py --snip     # one-time GUI step for OCR hold alerts
 """
 import configparser
+import glob
 import os
 import shutil
+import socket
 import subprocess
 import sys
 
@@ -208,6 +210,35 @@ def watchers_running():
         return 0
 
 
+def running_scripts():
+    """Which watcher scripts are actually running right now (by command line)."""
+    if not WIN:
+        return []
+    _, out = ps("Get-CimInstance Win32_Process -Filter \"Name='pythonw.exe'\" | "
+                "Select-Object -ExpandProperty CommandLine")
+    allw = WATCHER_SCRIPTS + ("eve_autoupdate.py",)
+    return [s for s in allw if s in (out or "")]
+
+
+def announce(cfg_path):
+    """Post a definitive install/update confirmation to Discord — always fires (not
+    deduped), so you can SEE the watchers came up and which ones are live."""
+    try:
+        import eve_orehold_watcher as w
+        cp = configparser.ConfigParser()
+        cp.read(cfg_path, encoding="utf-8-sig")
+        run_now = running_scripts()
+        short = ", ".join(s.replace("eve_", "").replace("_watcher.py", "").replace(".py", "")
+                          for s in run_now) or "none"
+        host = socket.gethostname()
+        w._discord(cp, "🟢 eve-watcher updated",
+                   f"On **{host}** — {len(run_now)} process(es) up: {short}.\n"
+                   "Say `!mining on` to start the live feed (rock/hold/local/audio).")
+        print(f"announced: {len(run_now)} running — {short}")
+    except Exception as e:
+        print(f"announce skipped: {e}")
+
+
 def stop_watchers():
     # all of ours run as pythonw on an eve_*.py script (watchers + autoupdate poller)
     _kill_scripts(("eve_",))
@@ -272,15 +303,18 @@ def main():
     print("=== Eve watcher setup / auto-update ===")
     cfg, first = ensure_config()
     changed = update_code()
-    if changed or first:
-        deps()
-        ensure_tesseract(cfg)
-    if changed or first or watchers_running() == 0:
-        start_watchers(cfg)
-    else:
-        print("• up to date and watchers already running — nothing to restart.")
+    deps()                      # ensure deps every explicit run (cheap if satisfied)
+    ensure_tesseract(cfg)
+    # explicit run (installer/logon/daily) = clean restart + re-announce heartbeats
+    for hb in glob.glob(os.path.join(HERE, ".hb_*")):
+        try:
+            os.remove(hb)
+        except Exception:
+            pass
+    start_watchers(cfg)
     ensure_logon_autostart()
     ensure_daily_task()
+    announce(cfg)               # definitive Discord confirmation of what's running
     print("\nDone. Hands-off from here: it updates + keeps itself running automatically.")